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Various and Sundry, Bloody Sundry

Yo again,

After this entry I’m gonna go to radio silence for a little while. I’ll check here for anything important, but it’s apparently time again for the annual August power-down and/or musical/foodical fast. I didn’t go looking for it, but it found me, so I’m a’gonna be honoring it.

As always, lots of changes afoot. And as always, some are church-related, but at least this time (finally) these ones weren’t my idea, although I’m the figurehead to move things forward, as it were (and if it makes sense to do so). And this year, it also involves changes at my work that I still don’t have my head around (and neither does anyone else above me, as far as I can tell), although I know it’ll involve inhering a chunk of the product line I was separated from during the last re-org a couple years back. Both issues are, in one way or another, related to the small-group and privately-produced curriculum that’s been much ballyhooed on these virtual pages.

And then there’s the opportunity –- again, another one that tracked me down –- to be on the board of what we’ll just call for now a local civic organization trying to grow. It’s a good cause, and in a field I used to be involved in once upon a time; just a matter of whether I’m the right person for it.

Anyway, we’ll see on all counts. But I’m looking for God’s perspective in all of it. So there you are.

**********

And speaking of “so there you are,” here’s the review this time around:

Sam Phillips – Don’t Do Anything. The former Mrs. T Bone Burnett has had quite the interesting career of her own, from mainline CCM artist who didn’t entirely suck to full-blown rebel against said genre (resulting in the brilliant The Turning, and the rather odd name change from Leslie to Sam), to super-quirky pop iconoclast whose Martinis & Bikinis (and its Beatle-esque single “I Need Love,” which you’ve heard even if you didn’t realize it: “I need love, not some sentimental prison / I need God, not the political church….”) actually earned a Grammy nomination. And like many musicians I appreciate, promptly alienated her new audience and got herself kicked off her label with the love-it-or-hate-it Omnipop (of course, my favorite album of hers).

And rather than the trouble-on-the-farm album I perversely hoped for, the last two albums, Fan Dance and A Boot and a Shoe, were…. well, not only a lot more subdued but kinda disconnected and boring. So there was some trepidation approaching Don’t Do Anything.

So let’s start there: Musically, it’s often closer to the last two than expected or possibly hoped. That said, this time it actually works, and there’s enough moments that sound like the quirky old Sam we’d come to know and love prior to that. It’s not on the level of said Martini & Bikinis or Omnipop, but it’s arguably her best Sam album outside of that. (Which is also to imply: It ain't The Turning either.) It's probably at least as good as Cruel Inventions, either way. And it’s the closest thing she's done to a trouble-on-the-farm album, but she doesn’t linger there.

“No Explanations” makes for a promising opener, as right off the bat it’s the most compelling song since Omnipop – the dour yet crunchy arrangement nicely backs up the opening statement, “I thought if he understood he wouldn't treat me this way," and goes from there. “Can’t Come Down” echoes the tone of the last couple albums, except again it’s more appealing. “Another Song,” in barely more than two minutes, goes from an odd music-box guitar opener to a forlorn piano riff, “Everything you used to do used to make me smile / Then you went away / Did you ever love me? / Did you ever you me?” The title song notches the piano and the tone up a notch, as it declares, “I  -- love you – when you don’t – when you don’t do anything / When you’re useless, I love you more.”

“Little Plastic Life” is the sweetly catchy and obvious single, hearkening back to the Martinis & Bikinis days, even as it declares, “Burn it all to the ground…. I’ve lost my power of explanation.” “My Career in Chemistry” throws yet more musical and lyrical dissonance into the mix: “"I'd rather be alone than with someone who doesn't know."

And so on. Again, it’s a Sam Phillips album, and for the first time in more than a decade it’s a good one. That should be enough to tell you your next move.

**********

Oh yeah, and I’m taking the day off tomorrow to hike this….

Yes, both of them. (There’s only about a half-mile between them once you’re up there, actually.) And yes, that shot’s probably taken from near the spot I’d be starting from. 12,700+ feet up, 3,200+ foot ascent. Probably the toughest hike I’ve ever taken, but the views obviously oughta be worth it. And I’ll finally be fulfilling a three-year-long dream to actually stand on the Continental Divide.

Talk to you when I talk to you. I shan't be too long this time.

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Comments:

#1  31 July 2008 - 01:07

 

Careful on your trek. Someone once said they've seen it rain fire in the sky there. But it is a nice picture, and I hope you have a nice trek.

So, speaking of judging things by appearances, it looks like Sam Phillips is in desperate need of growing up. Pretty sad when someone at her age looks like that.

Jim

LDVoyager

#2  31 July 2008 - 12:24

 

what is wrong with how sam looks, jim? am i missing something?

larryl

#3  31 July 2008 - 12:26

 

i just pulled up a large version of that cover art... i still don't know what you see wrong there.

larryl

#4  31 July 2008 - 13:19

 

The only thing missing in it is the noose around her neck.

The picture doesn't depict a quiet faith through struggle. Instead it depicts that "I'm a hero becasue of all of my emotional dramas" type of attitude.

Its the firemen, soldiers (kudos to you), and policemen types of people who are heros in life, not people like her. The people who lived through wars and The Great Depression. Yet here she is drama-queening her whole life.

Jim

LDVoyager

#5  31 July 2008 - 14:06

 

she's sitting in a bath tub, wearing a nice suit....

where do you get all that drama?

i thought she looked pretty content in the pic.

larryl

#6  31 July 2008 - 14:19

 

That's a bathtub; I thought it was a staircase.

Content? Yeah, look at that HUGE smile on her face.

Jim

LDVoyager

#7  31 July 2008 - 14:22

 

i said content, not thrilled.

maybe you should look at an enlarged version.

larryl

#8  31 July 2008 - 16:49

 

But would that help me to be the best version of myself?

Jim

LDVoyager

#9  31 July 2008 - 17:01

 

what does that have to do with it?

if you're going to make a judgement on something, you need to know what that thing really is.

larryl

#10  31 July 2008 - 17:36

 

Its another drama-queen female singer trying to make a buck.

Jim

LDVoyager

#11  31 July 2008 - 17:48

 

we're talking about the cover art, jim.

almost all singers, male and female, are drama-queens, and i promise they are ALL trying to make a buck, or they'd for the most part, go home.

larryl

#12  31 July 2008 - 18:31

 

HEADLINES: "Laster says that its OK to shell out the bucks to swindlers"

LDVoyager

#13  31 July 2008 - 19:02

 

whatever.

i don't shell out any bucks. i download for free.

unless it's mike roe, then i give him the money.

larryl

#14  31 July 2008 - 19:13

 

if they weren't doing it for the money, they wouldn't freak out about the illegal downloads so much.

larryl

#15  31 July 2008 - 20:55

 

Aren't you a friend of Mike? Just have him give you free copies. ;-)

Jim

LDVoyager

#16  31 July 2008 - 21:20

 

Hey Carl is on vacation, we gotta be more rowdy than this.

Busta rhyme:

Garfunkel wannabe
pukin' over drum machine,
s'post to be soundin' fun.
Ain't no harm in,
Big Mac beat charmin',
but give car stereo
the bum.

Just a personal little rhyme there, i'm sure nobody can translate it.

Jim

LDVoyager

#17  31 July 2008 - 23:40

 

Aren't you a friend of Mike? Just have him give you free copies. ;-)

Jim

------

because i don't expect my friends to work for free.

i want to support him.

Anonymous

#18  01 August 2008 - 00:21

 

HEADLINES: "Laster calls Roe 'a no good bum in despearate need of handouts'"

LDVoyager

#19  01 August 2008 - 00:49

 

you're officially an idiot.

that's not even close to what i said.

i refuse to accept free cds from my friends. i always pay for them.

Anonymous

#20  01 August 2008 - 12:01

 

Larry, the goal of the "HEADLINES" is to humorously misrepresent what was said. You should know that by now.

Jim

LDVoyager

#21  01 August 2008 - 19:47

 

i thought that was the goal of ALL of your posts.

ba-doom-ksh

larryl

#22  02 August 2008 - 03:11

 

never really liked sam phillips...
i've tried...
i do like her ex-husbands work....
back to your bickering..... ;)

beatmenace

#23  02 August 2008 - 23:32

 

"i thought that was the goal of ALL of your posts. ba-doom-ksh"

Heh heh. Nice one. Made me LOL.

Jim

LDVoyager

#24  05 August 2008 - 02:04

 

Busta yo, busta yo
Da 3 not down wid da crew.
Down da tubes da babies go,
no yo no yo,
down wid da two plus one plus zero.
Hi ho, da 3 gotta go.
Discriminate, not "duh"scriminate, in '08
'tween standing for principle
and
voting like a big ...

LDVoyager

#25  05 August 2008 - 02:11

 

So, anyhow, if Christ lived in America, I'm sure he would vote for the babies first and foremost.

And He wouldn't fall for the lies about global warming.

And He would be appalled that we are wasting the resources that He gave us.

And He wouldn't let His vote count for nothing.

And He would be willing to vote for an imperfect candidate, and trust that he will do the right thing when the rubber meets the road.

And He would never vote for people whose policies have caused family decay.

In other words, He would never vote 3rd party nad H would never vote Democrat. He would probably vote Republican. AND SO SHOULD YOU, Laster and Simmons.

Jim

LDVoyager

#26  05 August 2008 - 02:33

 

In my humble opinion, it is a sin that you guys don't vote Republican, and you need to tell God that you are sorry, and repent.

Its a sin to not evaluate the proportion of poeple killed by abortion and people killed for other reasons.

Its a sin to waste your vote. It proves nothing to anyone, except that you like to waste your vote.

How are you guys getting your families involved in the pro-life movement?

Why are you hiding the truth of Catholicism from your families?

Why aren't you drawn to The Sacraments that Christ instituted?

Why do you keep sweeping it under the rug?

What if your children had a relationship with Mary and St. Joseph, and asked them for guidance and intercession? How would that have helped things to turn out better for them?

What about vocations? How strong is it being instilled that they are calling to a marriage vocation or to a consecrated life?

What if you lived at the time of Luther and had to decide things for yourself? Would you let go the years of church teaching too? Is that really the right way to live our life? To make The Bible our own word instead of God's Word?

What about how non-Catholic Christians have only recently accepted cntraception; but it was always thought of as a sin until the middle of the last century?

How would peoples' lives have turned out different if Christians were more open to kids?

Where does all this end? God is pounding like a lion on the walls around you?

Let Him have His way. Let Him have His way. Watchman Nee only knows so much. He can only tell you so much. Elders were priests, why doesn't he tell us that in "Spiritual Authority"?

No more Watchamn Nee. Kreeft, Keating, Hahn, the guys who know their roots. Yeah, they don't know tae-kwan-doe like Watchman Nee, but they know their roots. WE gotta cherish our roots, not piss on the tree and claim a relationship with its planter.

His pounding on the walls are echoing. The time is here; the time is now. It can't wait another day. RCIA class, NOW!

Burn the ships. Burn the ships.

Hey Guys, I got a message that I believe that I have to tell you: ...














Burn the ships.

Let it hurt. Let it sting. Let it be Him.

Jim

LDVoyager

#27  05 August 2008 - 12:07

 

i have a few minutes. i'll play along.

"In my humble opinion, it is a sin that you guys don't vote Republican, and you need to tell God that you are sorry, and repent. "

your opinion, i feel is wrong. in my opinion, it's a sin how much importance you put on politics.

"Why are you hiding the truth of Catholicism from your families? "

i'm not.

"What if your children had a relationship with Mary and St. Joseph, and asked them for guidance and intercession? How would that have helped things to turn out better for them? "

it wouldn't, any more than asking a tree in the back yard for guidance.

"What if you lived at the time of Luther and had to decide things for yourself? Would you let go the years of church teaching too?"

i sure hope so. because the catholic church was massively misguided then, as it is now.

"What about how non-Catholic Christians have only recently accepted cntraception; but it was always thought of as a sin until the middle of the last century? "

because people realized it's not good to add your own opinions to the bible.

i have no idea what you mean about ships.

"So, anyhow, if Christ lived in America, I'm sure he would vote for the babies first and foremost. "

i'm not sure He would vote at all. i see no evidence that He got involved in the politics of that time, so why would He choose to now?

"He would probably vote Republican. "

i seriously doubt it.

"And He wouldn't fall for the lies about global warming. "

if global warming is happening, He is causing it, so there's nothing to fall for.

"And He would be appalled that we are wasting the resources that He gave us. "

i agree. He would say we need to be working on ways to conserve.

larryl

#28  06 August 2008 - 02:02

 

i do agree that neither the republican or the democratic party is following Christ's ways...
the Catholic church is more right with God than either party..........
of course thats not saying much.... ;(

beatmenace

#29  06 August 2008 - 14:31

 

If The Catholic Church might be the church that Christ founded, don't you owe it to yourselves and your families to give it an honest shake?

Its really hard to read what the saints of old believed, and to still write off Catholicism. I think God wants you there.

Take this St. Augustine quote for instance:

"Christ held Himself in His hands when He gave His Body to His disciples saying: 'This is My Body.' No one partakes of this Flesh before he has adored it."

And there are several quotes by other early church people indicating that Christ is truly present in the elements. There was never even a debate.

Why would you want to receive a mere symbol of Christ, when you can actually receive Him?

Do you want The Real Presence of Christ for your family, or no?

I feel Christ would have you check into it. Karl Keating's "Catholicism and Fundamentalism" is an excellent place to start.

The early church would break that bread together, and get together for a family meal. The breakoff was never intended. Its time to come back to Catholicism. Where Peter's chair is, there Christ is.

Jim

LDVoyager

#30  06 August 2008 - 15:13

 

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/scrip/a6.html

LDVoyager

#31  06 August 2008 - 15:19

 

Christ is everywhere. He needs no chair.

where ever two or more are gathered in His name, He is there.

stop worrying so much about where christians go to church.

worry about where non-christians are going.

larryl

#32  07 August 2008 - 00:17

 

"Christ is everywhere. He needs no chair."

OK, on Sunday, I am officially taking my kids to a strip bar for church. That will be our new church.

"where ever two or more are gathered in His name, He is there."

Well, none of us will be gathered in His name there. And will be with the sinners too, who really need to hear about it.

"stop worrying so much about where christians go to church."

I'm not, we're going to a strip bar now. And we won't even go when they're doing they're act, so don't try and lay a guilt trip on me for that.

"worry about where non-christians are going."

That's what I'm doing. All self-proclaimed Christians are perfectly holy and forgiven, and going to the exact church that Christ wants them to, , so no need to worry one bit about them.

Thanks, I feel so relieved not having compassion for people who are not in line with traditional Christian teaching.

After all, traditon is always a bad thing, right? Just like Jesus said, right?


Jim

LDVoyager

#33  07 August 2008 - 02:15

 

Woops, meant to say "Well, NINE of us will be gathered in His name there" in my second comment, not "none".

Jim

LDVoyager

#34  07 August 2008 - 11:37

 

":OK, on Sunday, I am officially taking my kids to a strip bar for church. That will be our new church. "

my current church rented a bar to use, until we got the building we are in now, so i have no issue with you using a strip club. the venue makes no difference.

i'll ignore the rest of that sarcastic post, except to say you are perfectly illustrating the point i have been making on your board.

larryl

#35  07 August 2008 - 17:34

 

Or, maybe it illustrates how you should be listening to what I'm saying instead of saying that I am being unloving.

Jim

LDVoyager

#36  07 August 2008 - 18:24

 

nope, it doesn't. it illustrates perfectly that you want to berate and belittle... when you know that approach doesn't work on this audience.

larryl

#37  07 August 2008 - 18:24

 

you have berated me before for my use of sarcasm, saying i need to pray about having that attitude changed.....

so why would you now choose to use it? are you praying about that?

larryl

#38  07 August 2008 - 20:09

 

Take a look at posts 25, 26, and 29. Where is the sarcasm?

In post 32, I was trying to illustrate some of the shortcomings of your points, not trying to be sarcastic.

Jim

LDVoyager

#39  07 August 2008 - 22:43

 

then point them out.

you were being very sarcastic.

Anonymous

#40  08 August 2008 - 01:26

 

I'm sorry if they made you feel silly; but I was not being sarcastic. I was just trying to make a point in a way that was more quick and entertaining than writing a book on the point by point, which is what I inevitably start doing if I lose my sense of time.

Jim

LDVoyager

#41  08 August 2008 - 08:56

 

no, i didn't feel silly at all. i felt like you were lashing out, because you had no good argument for the topic.

larryl

#42  08 August 2008 - 12:09

 

People generally don't use their legs and feet when walking.

OK, go ahead and try to write an intelligent response to that statement. Wouldn't you feel silly trying to do so, becasue you know darn well that if the person took a few minutes to think it out, they wouldn't honestly say that?

That is exactly how I feel when you imply that Christian unity is a minor issue.

Being incorrect, or not nearly informed enough, about what Christ wants us to know and why, is a very very serious thing.

Becuase, in life, the rubber meets the road at certain points, and it is a very tragic thing when people do not have God's perfect will in perspective.

Jim

LDVoyager

#43  08 August 2008 - 15:21

 

christian unity is very important.

but it has nothing to do with the Catholic church.

knowing what Christ wants for me is of utmost importance.

but again.. it has nothing to do with the Catholic church.

larryl

#44  08 August 2008 - 17:30

 

That's the debate:

Does God's will for your life include being part of The Catholic Church?

I say absolutely positively yes, to the degree that I would be willing to be my life on it.

But because I say yes, and you say no, that doesn't resolve it. We both believe that we know what God says in The Bible and to our hearts; but it takes research and honesty.

Let me ask you this:

Christ met you in a special way at some point in your life, obviously.

The question is, what are the odds that the very first denomination you encountered is the very first denomination that Christ formed?

I won't belittle your sincerity in your walk with Christ.

I'm just saying that God's plan for all Christians is that they belong to The Catholic Church.

We agree that it is all about Christ. The question is "What is Christ's will as far as denominations go?" - (light bulb, new topic on LDV).

Jim

LDVoyager

#45  08 August 2008 - 21:50

 

i don't think ANY denomination is the one Christ formed. i thought i made that clear.

Christ wants us to be christians....

see jim, to me, it is resolved. i believe you can be a Christian, and still be a catholic. just like you can be a christian and be methodist, church of God, pentecostal, whatever....

larryl

#46  09 August 2008 - 02:21

 

That is so screwed up.

Simply because, Christ would not be all denominations at once.

It sounds like yo just want to live and not live, and not really pursue what Christ wants.

Maybe you just want everyone to leave eachother alone, and not bother with the deeper things?

Why? Christ said to seek and you will find, so why seek and find?

To say that any denomination is just as good as the other is about as ridiculous a thing that one can say.

Jim

LDVoyager

#47  09 August 2008 - 12:11

 

no, i didn't say they are all as good as the others.....some have some giant theological errors... most do in fact.... but one can be a christian, and be in any of those...

Jesus, i think, wouldn't have been in ANY denomination.

i do not consider myself a part of any denomination. i consider myself a christian, who chooses to attend a baptist church.

larryl

#48  10 August 2008 - 02:17

 

"no, i didn't say they are all as good as the others.....some have some giant theological errors... most do in fact.... but one can be a christian, and be in any of those..."

OK, then we need to be concerned about which church has the fewest theological errors.

And I can tell you with a straight face that official Catholic teaching has ZERO theological errors.

"Jesus, i think, wouldn't have been in ANY denomination."

Jesus WAS in a denomination. He followed The Levitical Priesthood and The Pharisees because they sat in Moses' seat. (Matthew 23:1).

"i do not consider myself a part of any denomination. i consider myself a christian, who chooses to attend a baptist church."

Again, you sound like a guy of my heigt, but much skiinnier in the 1987 - 1992 period.

And yeah, I had that same feeling in my gut of "this is BS but I'll say it anyways, since its the last card in my deck" that you had when you typed it.

Jim

LDVoyager

#49  10 August 2008 - 16:58

 

nope. i didn't have that feeling at all.

for you to even say that official catholic teachings has no errors, shows me you are just drinking the catholic kool aid... or grape juice, as it may be.....

i pointed out several, that you have yet to seriously address.

larryl

#50  10 August 2008 - 16:59

 

oh... and the pharisees were not a denomination. they were a group of church leaders and scholars.

larryl

#51  18 August 2008 - 01:23

 

Whatever you want to call the Pharisess, they sat in Moses' seat, and Jesus respected their teaching authority.

Matthew 23
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; ...

Jim

LDVoyager

#52  18 August 2008 - 01:27

 

And you're going to tell me that in this new and greater covenant, that we have no one church authority that we can rely on?

And you're going to tell me that we can depend on only The Bible, and ignore the fact that it was canonized by The Catholic Church.

Lots and lots of pieces missing in your puzzle, there.

Jim

LDVoyager

#53  18 August 2008 - 23:30

 

we depend on the holy spirit.

larryl

#54  19 August 2008 - 02:02

 

"we depend on the holy spirit."

The Holy Spirit doesn't disagree with Himself. And there is LOTS of disagreement in Christianity.

Don't waste your life with that cop-out anymore. You know its a crock. I knew it was a crock when I used to say that.

Jim

LDVoyager

#55  19 August 2008 - 09:29

 

stop assuming i feel the same way you did. i obviously do not.

The Holy Spirit cannot disagree with Himself. Being a part of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit IS God....

larryl

#56  20 August 2008 - 02:33

 

25,000 denominations claiming to be pefectly led By The Holy Spirit while simultaneouly knocking the denomination that traces back to the apostles is a bit hokey, don't ya think?


Jim

LDVoyager

#57  20 August 2008 - 09:55

 

if only there were a denomination that could legitimately make that claim.....

larryl

#58  20 August 2008 - 17:34

 

The Catholic Church has claimed it with a straight face for 25 years; and they should, becasue its true.

Becasue when Christ sets up a teaching authority, its teachings are going to be infallible. It would be an insult to Him to think that He would set up anything else.

And He wants you in it.

Jim

LDVoyager

#59  20 August 2008 - 17:34

 

25 years = 2000 years, excuse me.

LDVoyager

#60  20 August 2008 - 21:09

 

having a straight face, and being legitimate, are two different things.

He didn't set up yer little church.

larryl

#61  20 August 2008 - 21:09

 

NO human, or human institution, is infallible.

larryl

#62  21 August 2008 - 01:02

 

"NO human, or human institution, is infallible."

The teachings of The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, are indeed infallible, because they are protected from error by The Holy Spirit.

And you were talking about blasphemy on my board. Isn't it blasphemous to think that a church established by Christ could officially teach falsehood? I want you to really think and pray about that.

Jim

LDVoyager

#63  21 August 2008 - 02:20

 

yer little church wasn't established by Christ.

larryl

#64  21 August 2008 - 12:45

 

"yer little church wasn't established by Christ."

2 questions:

1) Do you believe that Christ formed a church?

2) If He did, would that church's teachingss not HAVE TO be infallible?

3) If it is not The Roman Catholic Church that directly traces its roots to Peter, then which church is it?

4) Is it that you "can't" believe The Catholic Church is true, or that you "won't" believe The Catholic Church is true?

Once you are open to God on the issue of Catholicism, your life will be so much better. His Real Presence in The Eucharist, grace from the sacrament of Confession, yo ucan go to Mass every day if you want, a relationship with our heavenly mother, the rosary is literally like dropping a nuclear bomb on the devil, The Mass actually takes Christ's once and for all sacrifice and offers it to God for the whole world, the readings go through the entire Bible in three years, your sex life improves dramatically because God will be in the midst of it and you won't be just using eachother, etc., etc.

There has to be a living visible church, because Christ said that the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. So what it the church? WHAT IS IT? An abstract body of people who claim to be saved, and disagree on everything else?

Jim

PS It isn't "my little church"; its the oldest and largest church in the world. And, in fact, a couple years back Time magazine gave Pope John Paul II, Man of the Year award, for holding strong to what the church has always taught in spite of the huge culture war that we are in the midst of. That is evidnce of a church with a divine hand supporting it. And again, you will never find one official Catholic Church teaching that in its essence contradicts another Catholic teaching.

LDVoyager

#65  21 August 2008 - 12:50

 

PSS If you even had the slightest clue of what you were truly missing out on in The Catholic Church, you would literally leave skidmarks running to join it.

And God loves you enough to keep calling you to it. Look past me and look at Him. Tell Him its not worth looking into. Tell Him you'll just wait and find out In Heaven if you really could have had more of Him donw here. Tell Him that its OK to forget what is happening at the abortion mills down the street every Saturday morning when you're watching ninja turtles. Tell Him that you don't care to ask for Mary's intercession, you'll just find out in Heaven if you could have had it or not. Tell Him that you don't need 2000 years of The Holy Spirit's guidance for teaching sexual ethics to your children.

Jim

LDVoyager

#66  21 August 2008 - 17:06

 

larryl,

get out now. step away from the idiot.


(signed)
one who knows
(65 posts! for chrissakes, people, get a life!)

Anonymous

#67  21 August 2008 - 18:45

 

i've already answered this.

Christ established a way of life.

so...

1. No, not in the way you mean that term.

therefore, the rest of your questions are meaningless.

but just for fun.....

2. that's probably why He didn't set up a church. He knew man would screw that up.

3. the RC church can't, without a lot of assumptions and guesses.

4. i can't. too many things which can't be justified or supported with scripture.

the church that Christ is established is all people who ARE saved. regardless of what they might claim.

proud of that man of the year thing, are you? who else has won that?

hailie selassie
hitler
stalin (twice)
khruschev
anwar sadat
ted turner
bill clonton
vladimir putin

yea.. that's a great group to be a part of.

larryl

#68  21 August 2008 - 18:48

 

Tell Him that its OK to forget what is happening at the abortion mills down the street every Saturday morning when you're watching ninja turtles.
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i watch very little TV, and never forget abortion.


Tell Him that you don't care to ask for Mary's intercession, you'll just find out in Heaven if you could have had it or not.
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if He wanted us to do that, it would be in the Book He gave us.

Tell Him that you don't need 2000 years of The Holy Spirit's guidance for teaching sexual ethics to your children.
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i will teach my children what they need to know about sex, as guided by his word, and the Holy Spirit to me. that 2000 years of teaching in yer little church led to the pedophiliac mess you have now.

larryl

#69  21 August 2008 - 18:49

 

larryl,

get out now. step away from the idiot.


(signed)
one who knows
(65 posts! for chrissakes, people, get a life!)



hi carl, welcome back.

i've been bored lately, and pulling jim's chain is fun.

larryl

#70  21 August 2008 - 19:41

 

Hi yourself. But that wasn't me. I figured it was tim.

burninglight

#71  22 August 2008 - 01:07

 

Larry always gives his pseudonym posts away by typing in all lower case, so, nice try, Larry. ;-)

Jim

LDVoyager

#72  22 August 2008 - 01:25

 

Plus, assuming I'm an "idiot", which touches on the closed-minded factor.

Closed-minded people assume that the people disagreeing with them are idiots.

Those are two common traits of your posts, Larry:

- all lower case, and
- calling me an idiot

So the evidence is pretty strong.

But for you to post that, you must have really felt against the ropes.

And your responses, well...

for starters, everyone knows that a church promotes a way of life, so to say that Christ founded a way of life and not a church is well, silly at best.

Especailly when HE said "on this rock I will build my CHURCH", and Paul speaks of "the CHURCH of the living God" as the pillar and foundation of truth.

So, isn't a little bit ridiculous for a grown christina man in his thirties to make such rash statements?

Shouldn't you be thinking through these questions just a little bit more honestly and prayerfully?

Also, isn't it wrong to pull the chain of someone who is being completely genuine and sincere with you?

Go wants to know when the sincerity is going to deepen? When? When? When?

Answer Him, not me. It's Him asking you, not me. I'm just a fat overweight schmuck with a heart full of God's love.

So answer Him. Answer Him here, to keep it humble. humble yourself before the body of Christ. Humility, confession, maturity, sincerity, non-evasiveness, genuineness, purity, love. Water. Ice water. Cool ice water from a pure spring, where the ice cubes are from the pure string too. Not soda pop. Not beer. Not wine (though that can be debated, I suppose). Not whiskey. Not cider. Not any other juice. Just water. Pure water. The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit. Let it be real. Let it be your love for Him. Don't follow the old beaten familiar path of quick quips and tired cliches. Anyone can do that. There;s nothing unique about that. There's nothing true or edifying to The Body about that. There's nothing that points to Christ in that. Be real. Be real. Be real. Be real. God is begging you to be real. Be sincere. Be genuine. You live once. Once. Once. Once.

In other words, just be a man and answer the questions for real.

Jim

LDVoyager

#73  22 August 2008 - 02:41

 

jim... show me ONE post where i have called you an idiot.

i didn't post it...... i would never say "chrissakes"... read my posts, and see what words are ALWAYS capitalized.....

larryl

#74  22 August 2008 - 02:44

 

i can't even respond to the rest of that nonsense.

i DID answer the questions for real.

i like pulling your chain. it's fun. i like to wind you up like a top, and watch you spin, just like you like to do.

if you are really sincere in everything you say, then you need to seek professional help.

larryl

#75  22 August 2008 - 03:05

 

"i like pulling your chain. it's fun. i like to wind you up like a top, and watch you spin, just like you like to do. "

No, I don't like to pull peoples' chains at all, in these types of conversations. I would like nothing better than total sincerity, and for someone to have a mutual passion for Christ with me. See the "Mirror of Erised" thread on my board.

Can't if just be about Christ for once, and not about what you like and don't like, and all that BS?

Just once let it truly be about Christ, with no pretension or walls.

Jim

LDVoyager

#76  22 August 2008 - 03:09

 

"i can't even respond to the rest of that nonsense."

Isn't that kind of a cheap and dirty way of just sneaking your way out of acknowledging any valid points that were made?

I mean, the concept of "church" is never used in the NT? Come on.

Don't pull my chain in theological conversation. I really truly deeply and passionately love God, and these are the last kind of conversations that someone should yank someone's chain in.

Jim

LDVoyager

#77  22 August 2008 - 03:13

 

"if you are really sincere in everything you say, then you need to seek professional help."

In theological conversation, I am totally sincere.

Jim

LDVoyager

#78  22 August 2008 - 03:24

 

then you are sincerely very wrong.

it IS all about Christ.

which means it not about mary, or yer little pope.

larryl

#79  22 August 2008 - 15:11

 

And now for something completely different:

Yo Carl-How was your trek to the
Continental Divide?

Neblung

Anonymous

#80  22 August 2008 - 15:59

 

"it IS all about Christ."

Christ is The Truth.

And what objective person would look at your responses to the topics and say that you are honestly seeking the truth?

You already admitted that yanking my chain is your gig on these topics.

Jim

LDVoyager

#81  22 August 2008 - 16:32

 

Hey Carl! Hey Neblung! Hey Larryl! Hell, this conversation's the continental divide! If Jesus were alive to see this, it'd kill her.
tb

Anonymous

#82  22 August 2008 - 16:33

 

Tim again. btw the Sam Phillips CD is pretty cool from what I've heard. Is it still OK to talk/type about music?

Anonymous

#83  22 August 2008 - 16:36

 

PLEASE. :D

burninglight

#84  22 August 2008 - 16:43

 

How goes the war, Carl? Havin' fun a-trekkin'? Have you heard Flobots yet? Whiterock/hiphop art band outta Denver who I've found to be surprisingly good. They're pretty lefty politically, so of course I was ready tomeet them more than half way. Their single 'Handlebars' which traces the rise of a schoolyard bully who starts off bragging that he can 'ride his bike w/no handlebars.... no handlebars' traces the evolution of said bully into one who can 'rule the nation w/a microphone' to one who can 'hit a target w/a satellite' until ultimately braying that he can 'end the planet in a holocaust.... in a holocaust'.

Remind you of anyone?

In any event, it's nice to hear a new band attempting a real fusion between hiphop and rock that thinks as well as feels and feels as well as thinks. Picture the Black Eyed Peas w/a conscience or Public Enemy w/a sense of melody.

Still working up Envelope tunes w/Paul the Drummer. Dan says 'Hey!' and I'll type again soon.


tb

Anonymous

#85  22 August 2008 - 21:08

 

Yo tim: What war? What trekkin'? I mean, I'm trampin', trampin'. tryin'a'make'a' heaven my home, but I don't think that's where y'r going with this... :)

Anyway: Checked out Flobots on eMusic. Sounded like Dave Matthews doing rap to me. Not my thang. But apparently Dave's best man tried to hit on the backup singer, so I guess I've got a six-degrees thing going with them anyway....

Tell Dan & Co. "hey" back.

burninglight

#86  23 August 2008 - 00:42

 

"If Jesus were alive to see this, it'd kill her. "

No business like show business, eh Tim? I think Larry wants in on your act.

Jim

LDVoyager

#87  23 August 2008 - 02:14

 

Newsflash: "Simmons maintains silence as Laster ridiculously insists the concept of 'church' is not in the New Testament. Betrayal felt in Heavenly realms."

Jim

LDVoyager

#88  24 August 2008 - 01:44

 

"i DID answer the questions for real.

i like pulling your chain. it's fun. i like to wind you up like a top, and watch you spin, just like you like to do."

What an immediate contradiction.

First, Larry says he answerd my questions for real; and then he says he's yanking my chain. Which is it?

I notice the NT verses with the word "church" in them, sure silenced him.

Now if he would just admit it, and let The Holy Spirit take it from there.

Jim

LDVoyager

#89  24 August 2008 - 11:28

 

not silenced.... just taking a break from the nonsense.

if the truth pulls your chain, that makes it even more fun.

larryl

#90  24 August 2008 - 14:39

 

"not silenced.... just taking a break from the nonsense.

if the truth pulls your chain, that makes it even more fun."

What a total crock! First you take a break as soon as the elementary fact that the word "church" saturates the new Testament, is brought up.

Then you call the idea that the word "church" is not in the New Testament "the truth".

At some point, you have to realize that your views are a sin. You're actually ignoring The Bible for your own preference of how things should be.

And you're not yanking my chain, you're being a jackass towards God.

I'm really surprised that Carl did not immediately jump in when you said that Christ did not form a church.

Jim

LDVoyager

#91  24 August 2008 - 17:14

 

i never said the concept of church did not appear in the NT... i said a church like the catholic one, doesn't exist there.

i took a break when i got home from training, and want to spend the weekend with my family.

larryl

#92  25 August 2008 - 00:52

 

"i never said the concept of church did not appear in the NT... i said a church like the catholic one, doesn't exist there."

The Catholic Church was there, it just wasn't Romanized yet becasue they didn't make it to Rome yet!

But you have confessions, Christ giving the apostles the power to forgive sins (John 20:21), you certainly have belief in The REal Presence of Christ, you apostolic authority, you have priests referred to as elders; in Revelation you you have incense, you have the saints in Heaven involved in earthly affairs, you have the hidden manna, you have Mary as the ark of the covenant, you have Peter's primacy, you have households being baptized, you have an understanding of penance, you have Christ giving Mary as mother of John and ultimately to the church from the cross.

The evidence is overwhelming fo Catholicism in The Bible. The Bible is a Catholic book, plain and simple.

But there is nothing about altar calls in Acts.

There is nothing about claiming the blood and doing no penance in The Book of Acts.

There's nothing about going to a local Bible study and song-singing session in The Bible. (Not that there is anything wrong with that, its just not how they got together for the weekly service).

If you have a true interest in how early worship was, read The Didache.

Jim

LDVoyager

#93  25 August 2008 - 01:17

 

i'll stick with the bible, thanks though.

back to the family.

larryl

#94  25 August 2008 - 01:28

 

"i'll stick with the bible, thanks though. back to the family."

If you truly stick with The Bible, you WILL be back to the family, that's my point. :-b

Jim

LDVoyager

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